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Saturday, August 16, 2008

Why Australia Is Dominating the Olympics

It's absurd to track who's "winning" the Olympics. We shouldn't do it. But, of course, we're human, so we do.

Yahoo! Sports says the United States is beating China, followed by Australia, France and Russia. Why? Because the U.S. has 54 medals, compared with the other countries' respective 47, 25, 22 and 21 overall medals. But China has 27 gold medals, and and the U.S. has 16. Surely gold medals are worth more than silver, and silver more than bronze. So is China "winning"?

The medal competition between China and USA really masks extremely impressive national Olympic achievement by smaller countries. Simply counting medals is like comparing relative math ability among high school students not by averaging test scores, but adding them up. We don't do that for academics. Why do we do it with sports? Deep down, we all know the "just-add-up-the-medals" "scoring system" is wrong.

If we're going to pick winners in the national medal count -- and we are -- I think we should use a system that comes closer to fairly rewarding real national achievement.

There are many factors that contribute to Olympic greatness. The major factors include:

1. Population
2. Per-capita income
3. State control of Olympic training
4. Cultural tradition of sport
5. Gender equality
Of these five, China is advantaged by factors 1, 3 and 5. The United States is advantaged by 2, 4, and 5.

Some MIT genius could build a software program that takes into account all these factors. But it would be too complex for practical use. Also: It makes some sense to "reward" countries for factors 2-5.

I'd like to propose a simple system that normalizes for two factors: 1) population; and 2) medal "quality." By doing this, you immediately eliminate the advantage of population, and give countries of all sizes a fair shot. Then, you rightfully account for the fact that gold is better than silver, and silver better than bronze.

Here's the system

Each gold gets 300 points; silver 200 and bronze 100 points. Add up the points, then divide by millions of population. Whoever has the biggest number wins.

So let's see how various countries do using this system.

As of this writing, the United States had 16 gold, 16 silver and 22 bronze medals, and has a population of about 300 million. So multiplying gold medals by 300, silver medals by 200, and bronze by 100, the U.S. gets 10,200 medal points. Now divide by the number of million population -- in America's case, 300 -- the USA currently earns a score of 34.

Let's do China. As of this posting, China had 27 gold medals, 13 silver and 7 bronze and a population of 1.3 billion. That gives China more medal points than the United States -- 11,400 medal points -- but after dividing by China's massive population, it gets a lower score of just under 9.

So the U.S. is clobbering China. But other countries are clobbering the United States. Using this same system, the top three Olympic countries are:
#1: Australia (235 points)
#2: Cuba (118 points)
#3: South Korea (87 points)

Of course, this system isn't perfectly fair. But I do believe it's fairest *simple* system for scoring -- and infinitely more telling than just adding up medals and ignoring population size and medal quality. And I believe it accurately recognizes the colossal achievement of smaller countries -- especially Australia and Cuba, who should be the real national stars of the games thus far.

That Australia is dominating the Olympics makes intuitive sense, too. Compared with overall medal leader USA, Australia has a little less than half the medals as the United States, but less than 6 percent of the population. That kind of incredible Olympic achievement should be loudly recognized.

Comments:

Blogger orangejack said...

I've been thinking about this too but thought of another way to look at it. I think it might be better to factor in how many athletes from each country make it to the finals (at least with sports with a lot of qualifying). Not sure how to do it with gold, silver, and bronze, but the idea would be more of a winning percentage per competitor. That way if one country sends 1 and they win, that's 100%. Send 5 and win 1, your country is 20%.

Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A misleading title. I thought it would be about 'why' australia is winning the olympics and not a math session??????

Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taking into account the whole of the Chinese population (or any other country) as a measure of Olympic achievement in respect to medals won is probably not an accurate estimation (and is far too spartan a simplification) as only certain parts of any country contribute to their majority athletes.

In a country the size of china, riddled with diverse climates and economic factors it would be an inaccurate to assume based on the size of the population that every person is a candidate athlete or is suited to an Olympic event (e.g. shaolin monks) and hence it’s not accurate/reasonable to divide by population count alone where as many other factors play greater roles.

Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think its a dumb idea to do it your way.. and for some reason i belive that if u were from england u'd find a way to give them the lead also.. no most metals wins.. period.. or most golds.

Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:52:00 PM  
Blogger rucky said...

Mike - being Australian I'm flattered by your calculation. We are a sporting nation, that's true. And we are used to seeing per head of population results being very favourable when compared to larger countries.

However, my point of view is that countries DO NOT win medals - it's the individual athletes and teams that win medals. 'Countries' love to link these individual achievements to themselves, just as in any other sporting venture, (football, rubgy, tennis, golf...) as some sort of collective social ego boost.

It would be nice if we could all drop this patriotic crap and just say 'Bloody well done' to the athletes themselves.

Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patriotic Bull Elgan. Patriotic bull

Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:17:00 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

***** Patriotic Bull Elgan *****

How is that Patriotic bull? I'm American as Apple pie, and have never even been to Australia.

Mike

Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beijing got it right when they came up with the “One World One Dream” slogan..

I agree with Rucky! Countries aren’t important, at the end of the day its down to the dedicated athletes that make it happen.

nb. also most large Olympic countries (e.g. US, Europe) are comprised of various athletes that are from other countries though gained passport status.

Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Steve Freeman said...

A different way to track Olympic medals: http://sportandsociety.blogspot.com/

Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:58:00 PM  
Blogger Daniel said...

And another medal tracker:
http://tinyurl.com/5vunef
which allows you to organise by population, human rights and GDP.

Monday, August 18, 2008 3:24:00 AM  
Blogger Bruce said...

I wholeheartedly agree with this rating system. You can't unequivocally state that winning a medal is strictly an individual achievement, particularly in countries where governments throw huge resources at producing those metals. State-sponsored athletes yield state-sponsored medals.

Mike's system is imperfect, but the current system is even more so.

Monday, August 18, 2008 6:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gold Equals 3 Points
Silver Equals 2 Points
Bronze Equals 1 Point.

Drop the population and Per-capita income. Are you serious apple pie? Per capital income?Just lol. You are getting mad cause for the first time you are getting of the medals throne. You will do anything and promote any other country instead of facing the truth that China is beating them all. And no i am not Chinese i am Spartan like your blog but a real one from Greece, Sparta, Lakonia. Hurrey

Monday, August 18, 2008 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

***** Per capital income?Just lol. *****

Well, you didn't read the post. I'm *not* accounting for per-capita income. That was simply on my list of major factors that appear to promote medal performance.

***** You are getting mad cause for the first time you are getting of the medals throne. You will do anything and promote any other country instead of facing the truth that China is beating them all. *****

Quite the opposite. The standard metric is to count medals regardless of whether they're gold, silver or bronze. My proposal favors China, because it gives more weight to gold than silver and more to silver than bronze. I also specified that China was winning more "medal points" than the United States.

If your point is that population shouldn't be taken into account, then let's argue about that. If you think big countries like China and the United States should be ignorantly declared the "winners," and small countries like Australia and Cuba -- who's Olympic achievements are far, far more impressive IMHO than either China or the United States' then let's argue about that.

Updated medal count:

G S B Total
United States 22 24 26 72
China 39 14 14 67
Russia 8 13 15 36
Australia 11 10 12 33

In terms of total medals, Australia has nearly 50% of the medals China has, but these medals were earned by a country with less than 2% of the population.

Hurrey, are you personally more impressed with China's performance or Australia's?

Mike

Monday, August 18, 2008 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have nothing against Australia or China. If we consider the past of each nation and the economic growth China is merely evolving the last 15 years. So for i congratulate them for their progress, in other fields besides the ones they classicaly win like gymnastic. I am not offending Australia ofcourse cause they are really a great sports nation.


Saying Per-capita income i tried to mention your whole list and not just one subpart. The best calculation as you and i said is the 300 or 3,200 or 2 and 100 or 1. Size doesn't really matter.As you know we were 300 spartans and 700 thespians and fought against 1 million Persians. (Herotodus said about 5.283.220 men but it was a bit faulse)

At the bottom line as a Greek i want an equal confrontal for all the nations. I am impressed with Australia but China takes the lead fair and square and they deserve it IMHO. Thanks

Pit(It's better translation than Hurray)

Monday, August 18, 2008 3:57:00 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

Your post doesn't make a lot of sense. Regarding:

***** As you know we were 300 spartans and 700 thespians and fought against 1 million Persians. *****

This supports my argument, not yours.

The Spartans, their slaves and allies were defeated at the Battle of Thermopylae by a much larger Persian-led force. At that battle, something like 2,000 on the Greek side were killed (pretty much all), but the Spartans and their allies killed something like 22,000 on the Persian side.

The Persians prevailed in the end, but nobody is impressed with the Persian performance. Everybody remembers what Spartans accomplished, because there were so few of them.

That's just like the Beijing Olympics. The Chinese and the Americans will end up with more medals than Australia -- they'll "win," the medal count, if you will. But -- like the Spartans -- everyone should be much more impressed by the accomplishments of the Australians.

The Australians are the Spartans of Olympic sports. It's a perfect analogy to support my argument, not yours.

Hurray, do you think that when we compare international math and science scores, that we should add up the grades (in which case the biggest countries would always be "best" in math), or average them as we do now?

Mike

Monday, August 18, 2008 6:02:00 PM  
Blogger Jan said...

Rucky, every Australian taxpayer contributes something to most of these athletes' careers. We pay their wages, coaching (AIS), physios, doctors, accommodation, travel etc etc. If I partly pay for something then I do in fact regard it as partly mine. Those medals are ours because without us it wouldn't happen.

Monday, August 18, 2008 6:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

**At that battle, something like 2,000 on the Greek side were killed (pretty much all)**

They were 1000 and not 2000. The slaves did not participate in battle just prepare food take care of the armory etc etc.Believe me i know my country's history better ;)

I mentioned this battle to make clear that obvious size doesn't matter.Even if Chinese are 1.4 billion and Austalians are 10 mils or so,they have the same criteria for winning medals.When a intersubjective reader like me reads your blog,it's pretty clear that you are trying to reduce the importance of the Chinese nation to support the Olympics they are trying to exhibit.

As long as for your question i would like to say a dictum we have in my country ''The lesser the better''. So averaging the grades is right for everyone.

Pit

Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:55:00 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

***** They were 1000 and not 2000. The slaves did not participate in battle just prepare food take care of the armory etc etc.Believe me i know my country's history better *****

Apparently, you don't.

Estimates vary and exact numbers are impossible, but no historian (that I have read) has ever claimed that Helots weren't involved in the fighting. The historical consensus was that Spartans were ultimately joined by about 700 Thespians, 400 Thebans and 900 Helots (slaves) who actually fought. The huge contingent of "support" slaves and others aren't counted.

***** I mentioned this battle to make clear that obvious size doesn't matter.Even if Chinese are 1.4 billion and Austalians are 10 mils or so,they have the same criteria for winning medals. *****

OK, so if the United States invaded and annexed Cuba, we would suddenly become much better athletes and deserve much more credit for our Olympic prowess? What if China were suddenly dissolved into several countries. Would they suddenly become worse at sports?

***** When a intersubjective reader like me reads your blog,it's pretty clear that you are trying to reduce the importance of the Chinese nation to support the Olympics they are trying to exhibit. *****

An ad hominem argument is one of the most common, transparent and, frankly, lamest fallacies that anyone could use to avoid arguing about the substance of the disagreement.

So let's review:
1. You've got your facts wrong.
2. Your point is absurd.
3. You're relying on an ad hominem argument

Mike

Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike, I read your article with a small grin on my face and understood that you were right on the ball from the word go. I have never read any of your blogs, however your intelligence became evident from the exchange above, at the poor expense of a misinformed Greek peasant who I assume is a freak exception and flaw in Darwin's fine proposition.
Kind regards,
Dave.

Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

**Greek peasant who I assume is a freak exception and flaw in Darwin's fine proposition**

I always enjoy speaking with intelligent creatures like you Dave. And seems i am a peasant and a freak and you are a noble man in the other hand with high sense of Democrasy,i will better leave your prestigious chat.


P.S Dave can you spell Molysomophobia.Though you could.

Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone at Yahoo must be sad and desperate to pretent that the US is leading the Olympic field.

If it pretends that coming 3rd is as good as winning then why stop there? Should we count 4th place as good as 1st too? Hey, let's be consistent and call last place as just as good as first!

It seems Google isn't so desperate to manipulate the news http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/GL/95A/GL0000000.shtml

As of 21 August 2008
1st China with 45 winners
2nd USA with 27 winners
3rd UK with 17 winners

As for why some countries do better than others then cultural attitudes come high on the list. If you care about running faster than someone else than there's more chance you will. For example, it seems that southern European countries care a lot less than northern Europeans. Perhaps they just have better things to do and more interesting lives?

Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm impressed with your method that puts Australia at the top of the medals table, but I don't believe it fully takes into account that due to the small population, Australians usually have rather less than a full compliment of ancestors, and a surplus of genetically wobbly freaks with webbed feet and pointy heads.

Take away the swimming medals and where are they?

Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take away GB's cycling medals...the medals earned by black athletes for the USA...the medals earned by ONE US competitor (swimmer I believe?....the medals earned by juiced up (and non tested) Chinese competitors...

How many Track & Field athletes won 2 medals during the games?? Where were they from??

Per capita, Australia is beyond doubt the best sporting nation on the planet.

Oh yeah, by the way...I have a FULL compliment of ancestors traceable back to 1100 AD. What a stupid comment!! Did you think we just grew out of the ground 200 years ago?? LOL

Friday, August 22, 2008 2:32:00 AM  

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