Why the Chinese Olympics Will Be a Train Wreck
The biggest PR disaster in history looms for China as the 2008 Olympic games -- just 10 months away -- approaches. The sole purpose of the games for the communist dictatorship that rules China is international prestige. The regime plans to use all resources at its disposal to present China as peaceful, harmonious and happy. Meanwhile, thousands of journalists will pour into China in advance of the games, seeking to learn more about everyday life in China. The only problem is that China is seething with poverty, illiteracy, pollution, unrest, human rights violations, corruption and repression. The only way for Chinese citizens to have their grievances heard is by mobbing the foriegn media. The Beijing government's plan is to use censorship and the coercive power of the police state to crush any signs of discontent -- even jailing those who complain. It's going to be a TRAIN WRECK of an Olympics.
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Comments:
This is an ignorant, uninformed, under researched post. It is obvious you have never been to China and are only aware of what you hear about China what the International Press that is so deeply afraid of China's rise wants you to hear.
It's amazing how the whole world chooses to only highlight China's flaws and completely ignore the growth and beauty of the country as it rises to the superpower position, as if occurrences like those in the video don't occur in any other country but China, and that the video represents an extreme minority of the billion plus Chinese population.
Chinese goverment is a pathetic group of stinking old men who don't have any idea what they are doing.
Thanks for posting twice, anonymously and immediately, which makes me suspect you're one of the thousands of English-speaking micro-propagandists the Chinese communist party employs to counter negative blog posts around the world.
Or you could prove me wrong by e-mailing me information that lets me verify that you're legit. Unless you do, I'm going to assume you're working for the Chinese government.
Still, I'm going to respond to your post.
*** it is obvious you have never been to China ***
Well, I have been to China, and when I'm there I learn nothing about the political situation there.
Are people inside China privy to information about what's happening there? The communist party controls all media, the police arrest anyone who engages in public political speech and the population is terrorized into silence. Explain to me how anyone could learn anything by actually going to China?
***** the International Press that is so deeply afraid of China's rise wants you to hear *****
Actually, the opposite is true. The International press largely buys the constant stream of lies the unaccountable regime in China spits out.
***** It's amazing how the whole world chooses to only highlight China's flaws and completely ignore the growth and beauty of the country as it rises to the superpower position *****
The communist party muzzles facts coming out of China about, say, the 80,000 or so riots that take place in the country every year, and the "whole world" largely and happily ignores the plight of the suffering Chinese people.
Yes, China is very beautiful.
Nobody "ignores the growth" of China. In fact, everyone seems obsessed by it.
I'm not sure what is meant by "superpower." Normally that means the ability to project military, cultural and economic power worldwide. Yes, the communist party has been very successful converting the desperation of the extremely poor majority into great wealth for party cadres. Yet the government can barely govern China itself. It can't control the pollution that's choking the population. It can't control the corruption, counterfeiting, profiteering or any of the other things it tries to control. Before we declare China a superpower, we're going to have to see the central government actually extend its power all the way to the Chinese borders.
***** the video represents an extreme minority of the billion plus Chinese population *****
Well, obviously. But I think it's a representative minority of the unpaid laborers, the villages kicked off their land by developers, the farmers whose land is poisoned by unregulated factories, the hundreds of millions of illiterate people, etc., etc. -- the video is just scratching the surface of the addressed grievances of the poor Chinese population.
Mike Elgan
I agree with the author of the article. HOWEVER, in the long term, this might be a good thing. Skeletons might come out of the closet. I don't really like most of what comes out of china. Cheap stuff, bad food (at least most chinese in America is pretty terrible) I care about all people, and I care mostly that China is hurting Tibet, constantly threatening Taiwan, and destroying Falun Gong practitioners lives. Torture is common and documented, police are corrupt-bribes are the rule not the exception (also documented and proved). Heck, the try to convince people that the Dalai Lama is bad. You know the guy preaching peace for 75 years, who practices Buddhism, which is part of chinese culture. A little backwards maybe?
Similarities?
"For two weeks in August 1936, Adolf Hitler's Nazi dictatorship camouflaged its racist, militaristic character while hosting the Summer Olympics. Softpedaling its antisemitic agenda and plans for territorial expansion, the regime exploited the Games to bedazzle many foreign spectators and journalists with an image of a peaceful, tolerant Germany." - from http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/olympics/
Mike, I work for the Chinese government? Now thats just being a bit paranoid, I am just a Chinese American that recognizes my Chinese heritage and is sick of all this constant China bashing based on biased reports against the Chinese Communist Party that is doing so well for the MAJORITY of its people, which last I heard, was the base concept of Communism..
Let me respond to your responses,
You have been to China, really, and for how long? The people there are not privy to all information there true, but what makes you think any other country is? Do you think as a American that I have all access to government information? What about the war in Iraq? Why has Bush still not been impeached when it is so obvious he has totally abused the powers of his position and been completely manipulated into Cheney's bidding?
You can learn plenty by going to China by realizing there a BILLION people dude, and for that reason it is extremely hard to satisfy the needs of every person in the damn country, just like in every other country in the WORLD. The only difference between the Chinese government and any other 1st world government, is that the CCP doesn't deny controlling the media and what it does, as while other governments are much more skillful at allowing their people to believe they have freedom of speech when really they are just manipulating the media into what they want them to show.
The plight of the Chinese people?
Honestly, you or no other government in the world do not have the right to make that judgement. China has been going through constant civil war in its 5,000 years of civilization, The CCP's one main goal is to unite the Chinese people and bring as much prosperity to them as possible. So there is corruption and other flaws among the government, as if these same flaws don't exist in every government or run rampant especially my own American government.
The video is just scratching the surface of the grievances of the Chinese people? Like I said once again, if you really have been to China you would know the majority are happy with the way things have been progressing, is the CCP supposed to completely restructure the government because of the grievances of a minority?
So tell me why doesn't every other government do the same?
Mike, your responses are hypocritical and can be applied to every government in the world. And working for the CCP? That's a totally stupid and cold war thing to say, I was born in America, and have lived here all my life, excuse me if I get upset when I see this "Sinophobia" spread across the country by the propaganda garbage. I am CHINESE, if anything I can promise you I know more about China than you do.
As for comparing China to the Nazi regime that is absolutely RIDICULOUS. People like this is why Bush got elected and why he is still in office...
do you think they'll be any country boycotts?
***** I am just a Chinese American that recognizes my Chinese heritage *****
Communism is from Europe.
This European ideology is crushing the Chinese people. So if you're concerned about your Chinese heritage, why do you side with the European ideology that's oppressing the Chinese people?
Falon Gong, which the communists in China crush, is related very closely to your Chinese heritage. All those religions, and Confucianism, that's part of the Chinese heritage. And that's destroyed also by the Chinese government.
So defending the current regime in China by saying you're defending your Chinese heritage is just crazy talk.
***** sick of all this constant China bashing *****
People aren't "China bashing." People are defending China against the authoritarian regime that oppresses China.
***** the Chinese Communist Party that is doing so well for the MAJORITY of its people *****
Then every single human rights organization is just mistaken then, right? Whoops!
Amnesty International
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Asia-Pacific/China
Human Rights Watch
http://china.hrw.org/
Reporters Without Borders
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17349
***** Do you think as a American that I have all access to government information? *****
Are you saying that the information available by American citizens, with the first ammendment, the freedom of information act, multiple-party democracy, hundreds of thousands of independent news organizations, etc., etc., is comparable even in the remotest sense to the one-party-controls-all situation in China? More crazy talk.
***** The only difference between the Chinese government and any other 1st world government, is that the CCP doesn't deny controlling the media and what it does, as while other governments are much more skillful at allowing their people to believe they have freedom of speech when really they are just manipulating the media into what they want them to show.*****
Wow!! I think that's literally the most ignorant comment anyone has posted on this blog.
I still haven't seen any evidence that you're not being paid to post this, so -- given the exreme irrationality of your statements, I'll continue to assume you are a plant unless you can prove otherwise.
Mike Elgan
By the way, comrade, it's worth pointing out that the prediction in my post is not dependent on whether one-party Communist rule is good. I'm predicting a total PR disaster for the Chinese government over the next year as journalists pour in, take a look around, and the communist party goons try to use their Gestapo tactics to suppress the truth about what's happening in China.
That's the prediction. We'll see what happens.
Mike Elgan
Anonymous's argument rings a bell. They are essentially saying that all governments manipulate and oppress their populations, but China's manipulates and oppresses in, er, a nice way because they have billions of people who (I suppose the implication is) need to feel happy or they might go wonky and freak out - and then we'd be sorry!
I recognise that argument - it's a standard line taken unofficially by diplomats from places like China when talking to people they think will have "establishment views" in the West. It's designed to play on the "them and us" undercurrent. You don't *really* want BILLIONS of locust-like Chinese waking up and smelling the coffee do you Mike? That would be terrible for the [environment / population / economy / exchange rate etc.]! The Communist Party is doing you a favour - be reasonable, Mike, see it our way...
**Communism is from Europe.
This European ideology is crushing the Chinese people. So if you're concerned about your Chinese heritage, why do you side with the European ideology that's oppressing the Chinese people?**
Yes I know Communism is from Europe, as for siding with european ideology oppressing the Chinese people? How would you know Mike besides what you hear in the news? How would you? What you hear in the news about the common Chinese person is totally off, its like interviewing a politician on how blue collar workers live. What do you know? How many Chinese people from China do you know?
As for European ideology, the form that the CCP has taken on is quite different from what it was originally meant to be, and at this point is pretty much just baring the name of Communism while its actually much of a hybrid between that and Capitalism.
***** sick of all this constant China bashing *****
People aren't "China bashing." People are defending China against the authoritarian regime that oppresses China.
Like I said, how would you know this?? What in the world gives you the right to judge the Chinese government, I bet you don't even have more than 5 Chinese friends recently immigrated from China and are much more aware of the situation than you are.
***** The only difference between the Chinese government and any other 1st world government, is that the CCP doesn't deny controlling the media and what it does, as while other governments are much more skillful at allowing their people to believe they have freedom of speech when really they are just manipulating the media into what they want them to show.*****
Wow!! I think that's literally the most ignorant comment anyone has posted on this blog.
I still haven't seen any evidence that you're not being paid to post this, so -- given the exreme irrationality of your statements, I'll continue to assume you are a plant unless you can prove otherwise.
Evidence that I'm being paid to post this?
Excuse me, but are you f*cking kidding me guy?
Just because you left your name is that supposed to mean something, is that supposed to validate all your arguments which have no support simply for the fact that your arguments are totally ONE-SIDED?
Ignorant?
Mike, let me get this straight, you seem to take on the appearance of a freedom fighter of some sort for the Chinese people, is that right? Claiming that the Chinese government is an evil regime bent on destroying the Chinese people right?
But how can you say that if you yourself don't know squat about the general opinion of the Chinese public? Like I said, how many Chinese people do you know? I can bet not many because if you did you wouldn't say these things.
Let me say this again buddy, I'm Chinese-American, from Flushing, New York which is considered the second Chinatown of New York next to the original located in downtown Manhattan. I am in contact with many of these Chinese people who are recently immigrated as well as visitors and have many friends who keep in contact with their family back in China as well as my own relatives that live in China, and I can tell you that the MAJORITY of the Chinese people are happy with the way things are going.
Mike, since you appear to be such an activist for the rights of other , I highly suggest you read this book, because I'm sure it would open your eyes from your current ignorance about international situations.
A Game As Old As Empire
By Steven Hiatt
Reading this book would probably change the way you think about situations like this and make you reconsider who are the truly corrupt and evil governments in the world.
***** Do you think as a American that I have all access to government information? *****
Are you saying that the information available by American citizens, with the first ammendment, the freedom of information act, multiple-party democracy, hundreds of thousands of independent news organizations, etc., etc., is comparable even in the remotest sense to the one-party-controls-all situation in China? More crazy talk.
Crazy talk? Where are you getting your numbers? Hundreds of thousands of independent news organizations? 80,000 riots a year? These numbers are totally untrue and you know it.
80,000 riots a year thats over 200 riots a day, which if was the case, the government would have been overthrown a long time ago.
Mike, I didn't notice before because I was too focused on your other ridiculously outrageous unsupported claims, but it is starting to look like your full of shit.
What it comes down to is that your claims are unsupported and ridiculous. If I went to interview tenants in the ghetto, I'm sure I'd hear plenty of government bashing as well. I know plenty, and I mean plenty of Chinese people in New York who keep in contact with their relatives in China and they are content with the conditions, so how can you, who has no idea of what the general Chinese public feels make such ridiculous claims.
Basically, if you don't know any Chinese people, and I'm not talking about one Chinese friend who was born here and grew up in a predominately caucasian suburb, I mean a recent Chinese immigrant or someone that lives in China, you don't have any right to make any judgments against the Chinese government, quite simply because you don't really know what the hell your talking about.
What your doing right now doesn't make any sense, it would be like if people in China started bashing the American government for the living conditions that people have to suffer in the ghettos of the US.
And those human rights organizations, are purely political propaganda machines.
A Game As Old As Empire
By Steven Hiatt
Reading it would do you some good.
Also:
Confessions of a Economic Hitman
John Perkins
Another eye opening book.
Check them out sometime when your ready to open your eyes dude.
Andrew Ku
Happy? Left my name
"By the way, comrade, it's worth pointing out that the prediction in my post is not dependent on whether one-party Communist rule is good. I'm predicting a total PR disaster for the Chinese government over the next year as journalists pour in, take a look around, and the communist party goons try to use their Gestapo tactics to suppress the truth about what's happening in China."
The truth?
What is the truth Mike?
Human rights abuses in China?
Yes, it occurs, I'm not denying that.
But the truth is the CCP is doing everything they can for the people, that's the truth.
Why do you think they want prestige? You think it's just for the party members? No, its for all of the Chinese people as a whole.
That's the truth
Oh and one more thing, about calling my comment ignorant, concerning the whole media thing.
So tell me why is it that when all the Mattel recalls were taking place, the media couldn't keep China out of the news, but yet when Mattel admitted fault for the product defaults due to their inferior designs and repeatedly issued statements of apology to China saying that it was their fault, that that news only got about 5 minutes worth of attention and I can bet anything that MOST people as in over 75% of the American people still don't know about Mattel apologizing and still believe it was China's fault. You think that the American media isn't manipulated by the government then you are totally blind, just like fellow Americans that actually believe we are at war for reasons other than oil. Wake up buddy.
Has anyone thought of contacting the IOC? I left them a comment. I'm sure if they get a number of responses, they'll start looking into it:
Link here
To the flaming anonymous poster,
I am Chinese too. But, I think, if I were living in china and my home were to be flattened out, I would be a little bit pissed. My concern isn't the Chinese bashing. Have you taken a look at the video? Or has there been so much "bashing" that you decided to ignore the media? There are a LOT of reasons to be concerned. Just to develop the Olympic landscape, the government uses forcible tactics to evict the residents. Sure, the pay is poor, but to go all the way to allow thugs to beat and cripple residents!?? And then to jail the protesters? What do you make of that?
If one day, you were to come home, and find your home flattened and the children sleeping in your house dead, what do you do ? You would go raving nuts and frantically complain to the police.. but the police turn their backs to you. What do you do? You protest on the streets and that gets you arrested sure enough.
Try putting yourself in someone's shoes before you complain about bashing China. We're not bashing China. I love Chinese people (I am Chinese in fact).
For what the Olympics is going to stand for this year, I am disgusted. People should not have to be displaced for us to enjoy a team spirited game.. that is not the spirit of the Olympics..
It is like celebrating Christmas by stealing from the poor and giving to our children.
***** How many Chinese people from China do you know? *****
About 100, although admittedly they're not a demographic sampling (most are in Silicon Valley on H1B Visas and are far better educated than your average Chinese immigrant).
***** How would you know Mike besides what you hear in the news? *****
Besides the news? Reports from all major human rights organizations, the UN, the reports, papers, blog posts and other information generated by intellectuals inside China (many of whom are now in jail for expressing their views), books written by China experts, etc.
All this stuff is BANNED in China, so why do you keep saying that more information is available in this authoritarian society than in the free world?
***** What in the world gives you the right to judge the Chinese government *****
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
***** I am in contact with many of these Chinese people who are recently immigrated as well as visitors and have many friends who keep in contact with their family back in China as well as my own relatives that live in China, and I can tell you that the MAJORITY of the Chinese people are happy with the way things are going. *****
I'm sure these people uprooted their lives to move from China to Queens and in huge numbers to all corners of the globe (usually a dangerous and expensive trip) did so because life in China is so wonderful.
***** Just because you left your name is that supposed to mean something, is that supposed to validate all your arguments which have no support simply for the fact that your arguments are totally ONE-SIDED? *****
Your posts march so perfectly in lock-step with Chinese propaganda -- and we all know the Chinese government employs many such plants -- that I'm asking you to privately e-mail me information that lets me verify your claims.
***** Claiming that the Chinese government is an evil regime bent on destroying the Chinese people right? *****
Evil, yes. Bent on destroying the Chinese people, no. The people in the Chinese government are doing what all national governments want to do: Enrich and empower themselves. In a pluralistic democratic society, they are prevented from getting away with too much for too long. In an authoritarian, one-party communist society, there is nothing preventing them from doing that. So they do it.
They want Chinese citizens to be rich, so there's more money to steal. That's why they abandoned the core principles of Maoism and embraced some aspects of capitalist economics without giving up communist party control. More money to steal from the people, and more power in the hands of party leaders. Plus, they would have collapsed otherwise, as all communist economies do.
***** 80,000 riots a year? These numbers are totally untrue and you know it. *****
Well, they might be. They come from the Chinese government's Ministry of Public Security.
http://tinyurl.com/2jh7yr
They're actually from 2005, and the number was 87,000 that year. If you have better or more recent numbers, please produce them.
***** ridiculously outrageous unsupported claims *****
I've supported my claims. Please you now support YOUR claims to the contrary. Maybe you can ask one of your immigrant friends in queens. They should have better data.
Mike Elgan
The Chinese government spun Mattel's meeting with China's top product safety official as an apology, but Mattel says that was a mischaracterization.
Here's the story.
The larger point is that many companies in many countries have issued recalls on a huge number of toys and other products over the use of lead-based paint in China.
Here's the news on that.
That you walked away from all this coverage with the belief that lead paint recalls were Mattel's fault, and that the press didn't cover Mattel's apology is astonishing.
Mike Elgan
Anonymous at least have the courage to say your name .
That wild statement you made "Like I said once again, if you really have been to China you would know the majority are happy with the way things have been progressing, is the CCP supposed to completely restructure the government because of the grievances of a minority?"
I say "millions of people in China have not benefited from the economic boom -The rich got richer and poor got poorer.Same capitalist stuff we have here excpet we dont have evil regime breathing down our necks telling us what we can and cant think believe and say..
Here is real view of China the we in freedom know about.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1357069DKZqmaty
BTW anonymous many generations have been born into the Ccp ideology and suppression and violence. Does a turtle know there is life outside the well?
There were 87,000 socials uprising in last year and that is the official Ccp number so i guess you could triple that easily. Each of these had more than 200 people at each uprising.
here's what Lawyer Gao Zhisheng had to say about the Chinese people and China before he was arrested again for standing up for Human Rights in China!!Gao has not been heard of since.
“It is our misfortune to live in the China of this historical period. No one on earth has ever had to experience or witness the suffering that has befallen us! Yet is also our fortune to live in the China of this historical period. For we will experience and witness the greatest people on earth banish this suffering once and for all!!”
Boycott the Games . The CCp break every Olympic Charter and 30 of UN's charters. Berlin 1936 Beijing ..
By the way, for anyone who wants to keep up with news reports on what the government is doing to the Chinese people, there's an excellent blog on that:
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/
Mike Elgan
Mike,
I love your Raw Feed. Thanks for posting on something outside the realm of IT but also just as thought provoking and impacting.
Appreciate you taking the time to respond to flamers, too. Shows you are really out there!
While certainly not wanting to train wreck the thread, have you seen Chris Jordan, ( http://www.chrisjordan.com )
the artist who attempts to capture the scale of consumption in a digital manner. Interesting, too, and with an IT slant to it!
Keep up the great with Raw Feed and your insightful practicals on actually using technology to help with daily inconveniences.
Mike, seriously enough with the government plant nonsense what are you supposed to be a relic from the Cold war accusing all anyone that opposes your ideas to be an enemy plant? Please, if anything all those posts by your fellow readers are plants by you.
Anyway...
bluejohn, wtf are you saying?
To the other anonymous poster:
I can already tell you are not Chinese and have no friggin idea what the hell you're talking about so this is all you get for a response.
Mike:
You know about 100 Chinese people? I'm not talking about acquaintances, I'm talking about friends, people you talk with, hang out with and what not. So what if you know 100 Chinese people that was totally not the point of my argument.
You, Mike, are trying to give the impression you know what the attitude among the common Chinese person is towards the Chinese government, while I'm saying you have no idea, that your perception of the CCP could not be anymore off and is completely based on western views and opinions.
And let's be serious, you obviously do not hang out with many Chinese people and don't try to deny that.
****I'm sure these people uprooted their lives to move from China to Queens and in huge numbers to all corners of the globe (usually a dangerous and expensive trip) did so because life in China is so wonderful.****
Mike, this is a real ignorant post right here. So of course people moving out of China means that they couldn't take the conditions anymore right?
I know for a fact you don't know what the hell your talking about now buddy because:
1. Those fed up with the conditions could not afford to move to America.
2. You totally overlook the fact that China, my friend, is OVER FRIGGIN POPULATED. Did you ever think of that??
I'm not saying that none of them want to stay here sure many of them come here and devote themselves to the American Dream, but don't think that every Chinese person that leaves China because of the government, that's just ignorance.
You want some real views from Chinese people on the CCP?
Go on Facebook and check out groups they have and read the topics, and debates and what not between REAL Chinese people about what's going on and you can see that you my friend are way friggin off.
Your post about the Olympics being a disaster is just garbage, total anti-Chinese propagandist garbage.
I'm not going to read your links to those articles about Mattel because I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say about the situation, so let me be more clear:
I'm saying that whenever something goes wrong that involves China, immediately it's China's fault, regardless.
Like in the Mattel situation.
Like in the baby carriage situation.
Like in about 90% of the situations involving product recalls.
And while China isn't blame free of course it bears responsibility,
in the American press for some reason nobody cares that it was the American firm's design flaws or that, maybe, just maybe Mattel should have played a somewhat bit more active role. Hey who cares though, blame China.
87,000 riots, or is it protests, or is it disturbances? 87,000 is the number of protests/disturbances/riots all packed into one number for people like you to manipulate. And again, you disregard the population factor. You really want to be serious about that, go find the number of protests/disturbances/riots in every other country and find the ratio and you probably wouldn't feel so smart.
***I've supported my claims. Please you now support YOUR claims to the contrary. Maybe you can ask one of your immigrant friends in queens. They should have better data.***
Go ask one of my immigrant friends?
What the f*ck kind of stupid comment is that?
What annoys me the most is you try to act like your trying to stick up for the Chinese people against the Chinese government when your some caucasian dude from the who the hell knows where feeding into this anti-China hype and has about zero real friends that are Chinese, when you truthfully have no idea what in goddamn hell is going on over there. The truth is you don't know sh!t about China and the Chinese people besides what you hear in the media.
What are you going to say you want to help the Chinese people break free of their oppressive communist government?
Like how the US and UK helped in Iraq?
and go install a puppet government after?
That video represent a minority is what you don't seem to understand.
So what if I went into the ghettos of NYC and made a few minutes long documentary on the f*cked up conditions these people live in, you gonna go all activist for them?
You telling me about the CCP and the general attitude towards them among the Chinese people is crazy talk.
Why do Chinese people leave China if they love it so much?
Like I said, OVER FRIGGIN POPULATION.
that's f*cking nonsense dude.
Of course when you go into the most f*cked up areas of a country your going to hear complaints, the f*cking is in a JAIL!!!
So if I went and made a documentary on American prison systems and you heard inmates in the back claiming innocence you wanna go on a crusade for them?
If the CCP was so oppressive, why is it that they allow religious freedom?
You want to know why the CCP bans the certain media they do? because if they didn't they would have a flood of anti-government propaganda from America and UK flooding their people.
You are a sheep Mike, nothing more.
You believe everything you are told, and question nothing.
You probably believe we are in Iraq for the Nukes as if we had any right to be in Iraq in the first place.
As if Bush didn't totally abuse the power of his presidency, vetoing anything he can so that he can get his way.
As if the fact that all the Supreme court justices that put Bush into presidency in his first term being put there by Bush Sr. had nothing to do with the fact of them voting for him instaed of Gore.
As if voting in this country hasn't become a SHAM.
Why does anyone vote anymore when regardless its up to the electoral vote who becomes president?
What? because the common people like you and me are too dumb?
What I'm saying is, people like you focus so much on the problems of other countries when, SURPRISE, we got problems too.
And Jana:
Generations of CCP ideology? you mean like 2 generations?
And JAna, millions out of a BILLION. Do the math Jana, there are already millions living in poverty here in America that don't benefit from any economic boom.
do you know how easy it is to gather 200 people in China?
SERIOUSLY GUYS, OPEN YOUR EYES.
AND YES I AM A COMMUNIST PLANT, THAT'S WHY IM SUGGESTING AMERICAN BOOKS BY AMERICAN AUTHORS, YOU F*CKING IDIOTS.
CONFESSIONS OF A ECONOMIC HITMAN
JOHN PERKINS
A GAME AS OLD AS EMPIRE
STEVE HIATT
THE BUSH AGENDA
ANTONIA JUHASZ
READ THESE BOOKS, THEY WILL DO YOU SOME GOOD.
This is my last post ever I am never coming back to this garbage blog again so don't accuse me of being a Plant you friggin idiot.
***** This is my last post ever I am never coming back to this garbage blog *****
I don't know why you were ever here in the first place, frankly.
Posting a long, hysterical rant doesn't improve the validity of your arguments, or make false statements true. Your long post merely emphasized what you avoided.
The elephant in the living room of your post is that you didn't mention the universal agreement among all major international human rights organizations about China, which I made a big deal out of and linked to -- all of which supports my view and opposes yours.
So if these organizations are also deluded or mis-informed, come out and say so.
Meanwhile, here is the Status of Chinese People's "10 things to know about China."
I also recommend that anyone who wants to follow events in China subscribe to the blog's RSS feed.
Mike Elgan
And to think....I thought the foto accompaning this article was of three men doing a cultural dance in China delighting the crowd of onlookers (check out the girl...she is smiling...so at least somebody is having fun!)
Anonymous you are a coward and bereft of any moral character and humanity left in your soul.
Think very carefully now "what would you do if one of your family was tortured and murdered for their belief in something more noble and righteous than the communist regime?"
Its the Ccp who are the criminals here so please dont show your ignorance. Have you ever thought to give a strong voice for the poor Chinese people who have none.
That's right, some people in that picture seem to be in a state of amusement; and yet there are some other who seem concerned. Strange! Tells a lot about their psychology. Since, I'm not chinese, I cannot understand the sentiments, but general human psychology says, that maybe this picture is either not exactly accurate, or the violence by authoritative figures has made people so numb that they actually feel no concern about the situation; perhaps even beginning to enjoy it in some sordid way - especially the insecure ones? Sad. {shudder}
Thank you Jana for your insightful comments and calling me names. Very brave of you. However, the photo could be from a movie, the law enforcement officers (if they really are) could be reprending a pick-pocket or thief, we just don't know. I do know that I would defend my loved ones and not just stand by and watch. My original comments were meant tongue in cheek (meaning sarcastic humor) since fotos never tell the complete story. But do rest asured that many people world-wide are concerned about the mistreatment of the Chinese government against its own people!
WEll Anonymous, sarcasim is the lowest form of humour and as such cannot be seen by seen by people of higher and more humane character .
I am sorry to have offended you though, you are right that wasn't very good of me thanks for pointing that out to me. I will be more aware next time.
Actually the lowest form of humor is laughing at somebody else's misfortune. Sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek humor aimed at the Chinese government can by sly, funny, and sometimes politically savvy. I think the previous comments posted by the previous anonymous were aimed at the Chinese government (in other words...I got the joke and I think Mike's List readers did too) and not at the guy having his head pinned down by a foot. I think jana missed the point, typical of someone whose command of English cannot grasp subtlety in sarcasm, and is not on par yet with a native speaker.
Dear Anonymous,
Sorry for offending you and thank you for helping me see my mistake. I will try to do better next time. Once again thank you.
Dear Anonymous,
Sorry for offending you and thank you for helping me see my mistake. I will try to do better next time. Once again thank you.
Mike, I am very thanks for your kindly caring for our Chinese Suffering crowd. "Anonymous" is just a bathos,cheeky,very very sick gov's dog. I'm a chinese people, I can prove all your words are true, and the "Anonymous" is the fake. just a dog...
Thank you again, Mike, you're really a kindly and caring man.I really looking forward 2 say somethiner about the true China like you in the future but fortunately I cant and I HAD 2 be a "Anonymous" ,as I must protect myself, forgive me.
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